Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Why Elo Hell Exists, and Why You Belong There


I see alot of people complaining about Elo Hell these days. It's prominently on the LoL Forums, but people talk about it everywhere else, reddit, 4chan, and it's extremely annoying because it's also on my friends list.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

It is common human nature for people to actually believe they are stuck in Elo hell, and I believe it is this particular trait in humans that gives me little hope for our species. I thought we had alot of potential too, collectively having the most intellect out of species known to humans and all, y'know?

I'm talking about everyone's superiority complex. Everyone has delusions of grandeur. I kind of have it by even writing this post.

This vile, disgusting trait of our species convinces the VAST MAJORITY of people that they are "above average." But this is impossible. Where will all of our below average people come from? Mhmmmm. You guessed it genius. It has to come from a large chunk of the population that believes they are "above average." According to the scientific American mind, "the poorest performers are also the poorest at self-evaluation. For example, the bottom 25 percent of students tend to think they're doing better that 65 percent of the class. A significant portion of low elo players believe they should be high elo. And this is the premise of Elo hell.

"I dont care what you say. Solo queue is only about luck. If you get the team wih 4 feeders you will lose. If they get the team with 4 feeders you will win. Its a dice roll"


Yes. You are right. And im not being sarcastic, you are ALMOST completely right. INDIVIDUALLY, each game by itself is probably about 75% luck. You are legitimately correct in the fact that you can be lucky in getting a team of 4 nerds against an infant leading 2 dogs on laptops that duo queued, someone in a coma, and a vegetable. Literally a head of lettuce or stalk of asparagus that fell on someone who had LoL up and rolled around because of an earthquake and queued them up for a game. You are also correct that sometimes you will have the equivalent of a freak team of 4 infant Brazilian puppies in comas vs. CLG. However, OVER MANY GAMES, EACH LUCK ROLL WILL HAVE REACHED AN EQUILIBRIUM. And in this equilibrium the common factor is YOU. And if you can't push that 50% Equilibrium to be over 50%, then you have reached your true Elo. You belong in Elo Hell.

"But I get a troll/leaver/feeder/afker/whathaveyou every single game! literally every game!"
Statistically, if you play enough games there should be the same amount of feeders and retards on the enemy team as on your team. It all comes down to who can take advantage of those retards as to who goes up in Elo. You don't really truly believe riot places 100%, or even more than 50% of the feeders and trolls on your team only do you? There is GOING to be feeders and trolls on the other team too. You can't win even ONE GAME out of a 100 games with feeders and trolls? While all the games where the other team had a feeder/troll you lost one or two of em? What about the games where BOTH teams have feeders and trolls(most common)? You couldn't take advantage of their retards as well as they took advantage of yours? You deserve your Elo.

"BUT I JUST WENT 489 Kills/2 Deaths/0 ASSISTS 2 GAMES IN A ROW, THE TEAM SCORE WAS EVEN, AND STILL LOST BOTH GAMES CAUSE MY TEAM SUX"
I know you think you got those kills by being the best player in the game, or at least "above average." But lets set aside these delusions of grandeur for just a second. You got ultra-FED by the other teams retarded players. If you lost, that means that the retards at low elo were more effective at using their fed-ness than you. That means that low elo retards are better at this game than you. You got fed by retards, and then lost to them. You deserve your elo.

The average elo of both teams is the same or about the same. When you are in "Elo Hell" you assume your Elo is too low for you skill level, and therefore you will get bad team members. HAVING A BAD TEAM IS IMPLIED, IF YOU ARE IN AN ELO TOO LOW FOR YOUR SKILL LEVEL. DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR TEAMMATES. THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO BE BAD. And guess what? SO WILL THE OTHER TEAM. If you are BETTER than everyone in the game, why are you not winning more than 50% of your games and raising your Elo? It is impossible for 100% of leavers, griefers and feeders to get ONLY placed on your team. Unless you are doing something to create leavers, griefers, and feeders on your team, like QQ at your team in champion select.




People who try to say elo hell exists, either have played under 150 ranked games, or are trying to explain and rationalize as to why they think they are the unluckiest people in the whole world, and that being in a certain elo bracket somehow FORCES you, and everyone else in your elo by extention to be unlucky.

and there ARE unlucky people out there. however,

if you are a truly good player, one who will eventually climb out of our bracket, SOMEONE WHO MAKES MISTAKES AND REALIZES THEM AND IS WILLING TO LEARN what will happen is you'll start to notice 4 people on your team making extremely stupid mistakes and NOT QQ/Rage/whine, because you will also notice 5 people on the OTHER team making equally stupid mistakes - ones that you, as a superior player can take advantage of and turn the game from 5 stupid people vs 5 stupid people to 5 stupid people vs 4 stupid people and a good player that will make good calls WITHOUT RAGING.

^that WONT, I repeat, WILL NOT, WILL NOT happen EVERY GAME. It wont be 4 stupids and YOU, a smart vs 5 stupids, EVERY game

HOWEVER, IT WILL HAPPEN MORE THAN 50% OF THE TIME. EVEN PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE LADDER DO NOT HAVE A 100% WIN RATIO



REFER TO THE GRAPH
according to the graph, which is a dice roll on each team, EVERY single game you queue up for will have one of these possibilities for a team makeup on each team

now both teams look pretty similar in probability.

notice the difference though? one of them doesn't have a probability for 5 stupids. and if its not your team, then you are a stupid, and you belong in elo hell.

UNLESS YOU ARE

A: SOMEONE RIOT HATES AND SOMEHOW SNEAKS MENTAL PATIENTS ONTO YOUR TEAM AND SUBSEQUENTLY PITS YOU AGAINST TEAM SOLO MID

B: THE UNLUCKIEST PERSON ON YOUR BRACKET(and if elo hell exists like you all say, ALL of you are unlucky because you are
ALL IN ELO HELL[lol])(yeah unlucky that you are a bunch of delusional retards yelling at eachother)

or

C: LITERALLY STUPID

AS FUCK (according to the graph)

YOU WILL WIN MORE THAN 50% OF YOUR GAMES AND THEREBY RAISE YOUR OWN ELO, THUS ESCAPING ELO HELL


tldr; ELO HELL EXISTS

AND YOU BELONG THERE

15 comments:

  1. "SOMEONE RIOT HATES AND SOMEHOW SNEAKS MENTAL PATIENTS ONTO YOUR TEAM"

    Yes! That must be it! Healthy people can't possibly be that stupid! Faith in humanity restored!

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  2. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html

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  3. Speaking from a statistical perspective, Elo hell actually does exist (defined as a condition wherein your team is always much worse than the enemy)

    The kicker is that, under the laws of probability (and what a fickle mistress she is) said condition only applies to four players.

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  4. Actually elo hell doesn't exist, it you are good it is incredibly easy to carry, only noobs qq about it because they won't admit they need to improve.

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  5. Meh, you can say all you want - but once you reach a certain point in ELO Hell due to bad matchmaking / troll...it's extremely hard to get out.

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  6. Or, some of us have a life and a job and don't have time to play 150 ranked games, but would like a good game once in awhile. Your idea that "If you're losing, you suck" is essentially the same as saying "it's the quarterback's fault they lost," despite that fact that he's a fucking phenomenal player in a small league and he has shit for linemen, receivers and runners. Sure, one could argue "That's small scale! Over the course of his career he could end up with great team mates and dominate!" but that's if he makes foot ball his life. Some of us don't want League of Legends to be our life. We have friends, jobs, women, hobbies, and other games too. But good games arn't made from match making based on wins/losses. Just as easily as one can be carried, one can be dragged down. Instead, Riot should use individual statistics, which it already tracks, as the basis for match making in ranked. I believe this would lead to a game that puts everyone at a level playing field, and as you do better than your peers, you will move up to play with those closer to your level of play. Instead of 90% of ranked games being either blow outs or feed fests for 50% or more of the player base, you'd have equally matched games that are fun and have a chance of going either way more than 10% of the time.

    But you won't listen to this valid critique of Riot's match making, because you are the counter part to the Elo hell rage kid, who loves Riot too much to ever look at their game critically, and instead calls all those with valid complaints whiners. Good on ya, good luck getting pussy this year in high school.

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  7. The difficulty with going by individual statistics is the snowball effect. If you're playing as (for example) Nasus, who prefers to farm passively, then your teammates feeding and/or losing the lane will eventually sweep up to bite you in the ass. You could have four times your lane opponent's CS and have scored three kills on them, but when their four fed friends come for you, there's not much to be done. In all likelihood, they'll bring your K/D below 1 before the game is over.

    Now, you could say that the solution to this is in champion selection. Just like you don't play support if you suspect your AD carry will be a weak farmer, you don't play a champ with a passive early game if you worry that your opponents will achieve a snowballing advantage. But I, for one, would get pretty sick of playing Akali and Leblanc game after game after game.

    The real problem with Elo hell is that you don't get out of Elo hell by being a good all-around LoL player; you get out by being good at Elo hell. Games in Elo hell just don't reward large subsets of the skill set of high-Elo player.

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  8. elo hell doesnt exist i caried myself from 542 to bronze last season and then this season I am a gold player, if you are truely better than your elo you will consistantly win, I have gone on my insanely long win streaks even at higher elo because I know how to maximize my value to my team and extend my advantage. Sure you will lose games that you dont think you should but you will win games like this too. I have lost 3 of my last 10 games just being completely trolled yet I have still won 7 with the other team only being trolled once. You may think you are great but I garentue if you are low elo that your mechanics are sub par, your positioning is bad in team fights, and you have no map awareness and bitch out your teammates for "no mia" when you are just not paying attention, warding, or not overextending. If you want to get a higher elo master these things and you will break 1400 easily. Then mastering a champion while doing this can get you high high elo so stop saying its other peoples fault when it is really yours

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  9. You rage more than the rage kids:

    thats what normal games are for

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  10. Let me post a nice, refreshing comment for you:

    I'm fucking bad at League. When my team loses, it is often my fault. If it's not directly my fault, it's still my bad for not helping more. That's how team games work.

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  11. YEAH MY FAULT GUYS. THIS 0/11 JUNGLE YI COULDN'T CARRY HARD ENOUGH.

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  12. My motto at LoL is. "There is no ELO hell. There is only you.

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  13. Sadly though, if you get the 4 stupids and you vs 4 stupids and smart repeatedly, it could take a very very long time to raise that elo. Because you be at 50/50. You may get 51/49 and then 52/48, but it could take a very long time. Considering top rated players are at about 60% win rate further emphasizes your probability. Considering that 3/5 players on ur team must be good. 3/5 = 60%, thus, you are the missing link.

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  14. Great post about Elo Hell. It is horrible down there.

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